This is my first mod for Sins and I'd like to thank all of the hard working folks for putting each individual component together in a great package. No problems installing and patching it and it plays wonderfully.

Now, quick question, which may have been already asked recently, what is the status on the mod for the latest Diplomacy build? Seems like it's one last thing this mod needs is to get it up and running across all versions (maybe I like having my cake and eating it? =P).

Also, one small thing. I checked this thread, the DS wiki and the official web site to try to see if I could find a full list of features and changes in this mod. Unfortunately I had to resort to cross checking the change log with goggling the specific included packages and I'm still not 100% clear on the exact content. Maybe I missed a link or page some place that has all this?

Again folks, great job you've all done here.

Works just fine. In fact we just played a few games on ICO. Been playing it every weekend for months.

Thanks for the quick reply. Do you you mean DS 0.9951 or 0.7? I thought Diplomacy 1.011 was limited to the 0.7 build?

I've been using 0.9951 with Entrancement because I thought Diplomacy didn't support the latest build.

I actually hope I'm wrong.

The status for the latest build is slow progress.  Nacey is busy with work and everything so consequently the mod takes a hit for time being put into it.  It actually does work across all three versions, the vanilla version just needs you to perform an extra step or two to get it working, however you lose the biggest benefit to getting it, which is the graphics enhancements.  It's not a published step because why bother getting it if you have to remove most of the goodies that you wanted to play with?  Plus you really do need at least entrenchment to fully enjoy the mod so the vanilla version has been given a lower priority.  Completion wise, getting everything working in a satisfactory way with Diplomacy is first, and then work backwards from there to bring entrenchment up to it since the two are fairly similar, and then vanilla.  At least that's how I understand what's going on.

For the changes, you've actually done far too much and probably have gone into information overload.  The DS wiki has everything you want, maybe not in the most reader friendly fashion, but it's all there.  The reason there are 2 colors of text on every page is to illustrate the added content.  To see what has changed, for example, on capital ship hull points, simply comparing the DS wiki data to that of the regular sins wiki will tell you.

SoaSE Wiki

Distant Stars Wiki

Thanks for the informative reply. I'm more than happy to patiently wait out for however long it takes you guys to do what you do. Modding is a passionate hobby that takes time as much as skill and it's unfortunate that I can only experience the scene as a player rather than a contributor. I'm enjoying what you guys have already put out and it's certainly more than enough to tide me over.

I'm an information fanatic, maybe a bit more than is healthy. I'll certain give the Wiki more time and probably compile my own list for my own specific viewing preferences.

Keep up it folks, you've gained another fan.

0.9951 and 0.7 are basically the same build, just one for Entrechment...one for Diplomacy.

0.7 works with the lastest build Diplomacy version. Like I said we have been playing Diplomacy on ICO for months now. Some people about every weekend, you can check out our Multiplayer topic for more info on that.

If you're an information junkie and you find something inaccurate or you know of a better way to present it, feel free to make the correction or changes to the DS Wiki.  I welcome the help.

Been playing this mod a lot lately, and I have noticed that when I play Advent my fleets tend to melt so much faster compared to TEC and Vasari during the late game... particularly the cap ships.

Advent have low end armor compared to the other two thats why (especially against the Vasari with their phase missiles) so they must use their massive firepower to compensate

You're right, it's especially vs. the Vasari. Still I do feel that the life expectancy of the Advent ships are a bit too low. It's quite disheartening to see 7 Cap ships get destroyed seconds within each other and have a Vasari fleet warp in and rape your fully upgraded Starbase in no time with minimal losses.

It's quite bad imo that an entire race can almost "hard counter" your race's fleets in the mid-end game (my favorite part), completely skipping over and negating all your advantages. Superior damage doesn't matter when you can't live to deliver them.

I don't think I'm such a great player, but I am playing always as random and I go for like 4+ hour games if I can. Only with Advent do I feel so brittle in the end game

Request:  Could you contact Myfist0(currently co-continuing Major Stress' optimization mod) and SuperZERO0(Alliance, Agenda's mod creator) and get something set up for mini-mods of those into Distant Stars? Both of there mods would bring even more to DS in both performance and game play. I've not asked either of them about this but I've noticed both of thm mentioning they wouldn't mind their mods in DS so I thought you should all contact one another(and you probably have and this is probably useless.) In which case I agree advent are slightly underpowered but enough tech into shields and culture and you can scathe off quite a bit. Advent are still my favorite race to play vs comps in DS. Culture washing is always fun, makes them all scramble to either build culture beacons or assault the source ^^ and I won't share what I call a culture wash till you play a game with me on ICO. =p

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Answer: As for Alliance's maybe, I know I got it working once but when he made changes it got old and I have had little time to fix it, sorry. As for the Optimization Mod, well some of his optimizations will work against what we have done but there are things in that mod that we plan on incorporating, as for when, not sure, splicing mods (especially a mod that is as complex as ours has gotten) is time consuming and not always successful (See the Optimization mod and our mod) so we have a lot of testing to do to get them to work right and RL has its own demands.

As for Alliance, I don't totally like the idea. I do want to see a DS expansion of Diplomacy research, as I'm sure most others do too. But if it's going to involve new vessels, I want them to be original. I like the modeling he has, but the abilities are copy and paste. I know new abilities means major balance work, but there's no point in getting lvl 3 research to make a slightly better Kol. Just my opinion.

I do like the idea behind it, but I want something new. More importantly, I want to see a couple of techs worked out for the diplomacy tree, whether they be simple upgrades or units. But as said previously, fix what we have and RL first.

This mod is awesome, the changes to the visuals, damage and the research tree are all good. The only thing i do regret is that this can't be applied to other mods.

Why would you ruin this by applying it to other mods....  You should apply other mods to DS. 

            -f0odmix