haha, well, I used "may" because I wasn't certain. Planning works too.

I dont know about you guys but I dont like the current balance of the game.

i know that the advent are the more intensive ability,-firepoer,shield faction.Tec are the more eco based,unit spam more hull focused faction.

Could anyone tell me what vasari have as a difference? They fall in between the two factions and have more expensive units for no real advantage in dps,health or any other thing .In order to play vasari in the beginning,you have to kite,use hit and  run and so on. After researching suberters everything changes,now the vasari become the hunter and your enemy the prey.With their awesome later techs,they dominate.

In my opinion this is not right.This is a balance problem.A factionm becomes ultra good after the research of one unit and one ability?Cmon.

Tec being the spam faction is very lame,it is a nobrainer faction.Ever thought on chaning that? Like making them actually different in play style from the vanila Sins.While DS adds alot,gameplay stays the same as in he vanila,that is why I preffer SOGE. It adds different ways of playing the game,each faction plays differently.

The advent have start problems,beside disciple spam,there are not other solutions..Radiance still sucks as a cap ship.It has bad abilities,why not fix that by either changing those abilities or increasing hp dps or so?

The vasari on the other hand are unique for their phase missiles cool no? they have good abilities in the END game.Not hte beginning.

Should i always run like a girl when i see tec spam with vasari? Are vasari meant to be much more expensive for no real buff.I say,buff them more but INCREASE ship supply cost.THat way you have less vasari but actually worhty units.

Give a reason to build Frigates,LRM still own in your mod,albeit less because of cap s being actual beasts instead of pussies.

I don't disagree here. It's good at taking a capital ships abilities out of the game, but not much else past that. I'd like a rework of detonate anti-matter that is more geared towards damage dealing than AM Draining.

Why so many links?

Those things appear when I write sentences closly by and then space them.It could be a reason because of my NO SCRIPT for mozila.Just ignore those at best.

You do realize that the inherent flaw of comparing DS to SOGE on the issue of gameplay balance is that DS is an enhancement mod, meaning we take what's already there and make adjustments, and SOGE is a total conversion mod, meaning it takes what's already there, throws it all in the garbage, and then makes all new stuff to take it's place.

Two completely different modding animals.  In a total conversion mod, if something isn't working out, you just get rid of it.  In an enhancement mod, if something isn't working out you tweak it repeatedly until as few people as possible are complaining about it.

Now you pick on one thing I took as a comparision?

Cmon.Dont bash on a miniscule thing such as taking a not so goood comparison.

I just took it as an example becuz of that i playes differently.

Understand this,I am aware that DS is an improvement mod but nothing in this stops DS from IMPROVING the  GAMEPLAY. THe gameplay with DS does not really change.So,I only desire a bit of balance and gamplay changes so DS to enhance sins experience.Vanila sins is flawed.See me points on the last page.

An please,dont criticize for the sake of criticizing.Making some upgrades,abilites,firagtes and so on more useful would only make Sins better,

If you complain about the critic I put,only describes the fact that you did not even understand the critic.

I'm not bashing or criticizing anything.  You're the one doing that by adding in your own emotions to what I said.  Read it again without your own opinions added in.  I merely explained the differences in the two types of mods and how, with the examples you've chosen to give, the difficulties in achieving gameplay balance.

Trust me, if I wanted to bash or criticize you, you'd know it because I'd pick apart your statement line by line and smack you over the head with it until you left the forums crying to your mommy that I was being mean to you.  You sir, owe me an apology.

I however, will go ahead and give it a crack.

Not really. They are more intense with shielding, but they only benefit from firepower later in the game. Even then, the raw numbers support the Vasari due to their focus on phase missiles which bypass Advent shield focus. The abilities, in a stand alone form, are their focus. But when you combine Vasari abilities in the right order, they can deal out much greater damage. It means more micromanagement, but pays off even in the early game.

The Vasari are kiters. Sound weird? For a lot of us, it is. I'm sure most people here live in countries that at one time or another could afford to use the Go Big or Go Home method of warfare. The Vasari are a limited few with precious few resources. Think Vietnam. The Vietnamese could not afford prolonged engagements or out in the open operations. The Vasari are much the same way. They have ships that can phase, can enhance their engines, and teleport your men behind enemy lines. These are very much their elements. They are a challenge precisely because you have to learn to obtain a difficult beachhead, but they pay off if you can do it.

Not really just one ability, cause a fleet of subverters (IMO) will not stand alone. That aside, this is the payoff for surviving the early game. Then again, bring your cruisers in mass and watch a couple of Marzas wipe them clean while Akkan increase the enemy's bombardment range and a mixture of Gauss Railguns and Ion Bolts debilitate your fleet.

Stant is dead right on this. It's an enhancement mod. If the playing style changes, it's not the same game. As for the spam, TEC are capable without it, BUT it has become a mainstay of American warfare since the Vietnam War, a concept which is still ingrained in the military. Firepower is no longer measured in the number of rounds that strike the enemy, rather the number of rounds in the air.

I'm going to skip over a little because it's redundant.

LRM kinda own. Again, Marzas and Akkan can produce brutal results. Of course, the mentioning of caps being tougher probably chimes in on why we did that. In any case, the frigates are still somewhat useful. The colony frigate is a good choice for those less than eager to wait around for an Akkan, especially since you're better off investing in a Dunov or Kol as your primary fleet component. If you move fast, Colony frigates are worth it. Gardas are still the only anti-strikecraft vessel available (not counting abilities). The light assualt craft were never designed to be a mainstay unit the whole game through. LRM you already gave a thumbs up. Scouts are essential not only in NOT jumping into a cluster... screw... but they are also the only beasts that can see mines. With the enhancement of mines, we made them a necessity. So we really did change something up for the better of the previously ignored ships.

"I'm not bashing or criticizing anything.  You're the one doing that by adding in your own emotions to what I said.  Read it again without your own opinions added in.  I merely explained the differences in the two types of mods and how, with the examples you've chosen to give, the difficulties in achieving gameplay balance."

Please explain to me kidd what was your aim again in the last post?I certainly dont understand what your point is?I mean,SOGE was an example of different gameplay.Even if it is a total conversion mod,it is still based on Sins.

Fun/

"Trust me, if I wanted to bash or criticize you, you'd know it because I'd pick apart your statement line by line and smack you over the head with it until you left the forums crying to your mommy that I was being mean to you.  You sir, owe me an apology."

You must be some sort of teenage kiddie roaming around here.Not suprized at all.

I pity you kiddie.

Now tell me kid,how old are you? 6?

Does your mommy know that you talk to strangers?

/fun

Now to the DS team,please keep away your trolls from people you like to give feedback.

Thank you.

Ok then,good explanation,I agree on what you said here.At least it is clear to me now. Thank you that you took your time to answer in a good mannered way.

Btw, not all your ideas are bad. Could the Advent use a boost here or there to deal with Phase Missiles? Yes, and we;re implementing that in various ways. As for replacing its abilities, that would be a major conversion, which we are not looking to do. So there are nuggets in there which we have thought about and would like to make better, but they are difficult or potentially undermining.

And this is an example of a person we on the Sins forums do not like to socialize with.

Become more intelligent yourself, and they might listen to more of your 'criticism', but from your first post i only got a bit of arrogance on your part. Learn a bit of humility in the face of the team giving you the mod that they make in their free time, without pay, and only choosing to grace your Sins Mod Folder with their work.

These people working on the mod deserve alot more respect than you give. The first answer you received may have lacked substance as to a direct answer, but the answer itself was still of merit. It really wasn't a good comparison, but still you shouldn't let anything get so under your skin like that. It just adds to the bad public relations you have. "some sort of teenage kiddie"? "How old are you, 6?"? Go home, because calling someone 6 years old on a forum doesn't make you look tough, it just makes you sound more like the schoolyard bully, and just as unintelligent as one. Not that your lack of spelling skill helps that much.

If you were less snippy with them, they might have been more plain in their answers, a la DraakJacht's post.

/rant.

DS Team, i was wondering if there was any plans to replace the current models for the Flagships, or to add more for each race to have more diversity between same-faction players? Different flagships with different firepower/abilities on teams could make for some serious powerhousing if done right.

*Sigh*  This is why I'm not nice to people very often because when I am, I get this...

First, off, you're the kid here since you're the one who blew up and went crazy...  Not me.  In fact, you're still the one going around being insulting whereas I'm showing restraint.  Based on that, alone, I think we know who the adult in this conversation is.

It's okay if English isn't your first language, I don't judge based on that, I only judge based on how you conduct yourself.  My point of my original post to you was to explain the differences between the two types of mods.  You made no indication that you were aware of any such difference, so I pointed that out.  I didn't bash, challenge, or critique any single one of your ideas so you attacking me makes no sense at all and screams of immaturity.  If I did, please show them to me and the world as we are waiting for the answer.

By your conduct, I'd say this comment reflects it's original poster, not it's intended target.

Still with the insulting?  Okay then.

32 actually, and I just had a new nephew born at 3:26am Pacific Daylight Time.     So my patience with you is wearing thin.

*sigh*  Another baseless insult.

You have a strange way of showing humor.

Now I'm offended by this...  You and your high forum member number and your 7 posts and 25 replies and 0 karma tells me that you're pretty new here.  Whereas my no where near as high member number as yours, 1 post, 1,245 replies, and 54 karma let you know that I've been around for quite some time and I actually bring a lot to the table, and you have the nerve to call me a troll?

How do you know I'm not a team member?  Because my avatar doesn't say DS Team on it?  That's pretty pathetic reasoning.

I have to laugh at that simply because for more then a year, I've been neck deep in DS modding.  I've been neck deep in DS testing.  I've been neck deep in DS updating.  I've been neck deep in DS lore writing.  I've been neck deep in DS multiplayer games, even giving up my Saturday mornings on ICO and TeamSpeak in an attempt to give the Aussies and Euro's a chance to play DS with someone like me and give them an outlet for their ingame feedback.  I'm neck deep in providing technical support for the DS mod.  I'm neck deep in creating maps for the DS mod.  I'm also the one who created and maintains the DS wiki page, which I've been told was used to help finish off the main Sins wiki page.  So hey, +1 for me.  I've contributed as much and in some cases more to this mod then some of the listed mod team members themselves.  Why am I not listed?  Because it's my choice.  Go ahead, ask them.  Troll?  I've been providing all of this since last January and you just join up and post a comment and call me a troll?  I think you've got yourself a little bit mixed up on who is what.

You're not welcome, now GTFO.

There are plans to change them up a little bit if Ryat has gotten the new models for them.  As for adding more, not likely, not unless Ryat switches to my version of his mod, but in either case, it requires us to figure out how to get Sins to only allow 1.  It could, we all have ideas, but so far technical issues are holding us back.