LOL I thought Nacey said he had uploaded it. Maybe he didn't connect things properly. Will drop him a message to let him know about it. That explains a lot.

look I'll give you that one, I didn't know the story, and to be honest I understand and support your decision, my question are to conclude that Stardock isn't the fund company is used to be? and that it is not going to uphold gamers rights that it says it holds so dear?

These can be discussed else where. We strive to keep this thread on Distant Stars related commentary.

Nacey will have the latest update posted sometime tomorrow. He apologizes for the delay.

Yes really.  I link to the mod's website, not to it's download section, nor to the downloads themselves...  Really dude, don't be one of those people that has to grasp at straws just to prove a point.  If you have to go to another website all together and then navigate that website to get to any downloads then the first website you left cannot be considered to be linking to download material from the second website.  Otherwise I could simply say Stardock has pornography available for download since it uses google to search it's threads and google search also links me to porn sites, where I can download smut from.  You're not doing yourself any favors by trying to argue with me over something I created and semi-maintain.  Does Stardock really have porn to download?  No.  Does the DS Wiki have any or link to any downloads?  Nope, and your second and third pictures prove that.

Since you had to dig for it by accessing the server directory (as proof by your fourth picture) because there is no link to it anywhere via the web page downloads section or this thread, and there has been no official announcement here that it's even available, then yes, I stand by my statement that it's not publicly available yet.  You can argue that one all you want, I don't really care, but to me, if it's not general knowledge that it exists, or is it not posted in an easy to find and get to location, then it's not really publicly available even if it exists.  For all you know, you're accessing a version that mod team members are supposed to evaluate before its released.

The rights it authored on the gamers behalf, we're told that we misinterpreted the statements made and that they're subject to change over time.  Read that as meaning   'Money > Principles'    There are a couple of other threads dedicated to this discussion if they haven't been nuked out of existence yet, as Ryat already said, discussion on this should go elsewhere.

And BOOM, goes the dynamite..!!!

Geh. Just got D|S .12 and now there's Rebellion 1.5 coming, and based on the changelog I'd wager it'll break D|S again.

What really stinks is how it looks like it's going to fix most of the crash issues. It's as if stardock's trollfacing at us right now. <.< "Haha! We fixed all your crash bugs, but we also moved all the weapon effects to a new directory so your mod won't work anymore!"

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So! From what I can gather there's two kinda-active developers left. I might be interested in becoming a third kinda-active developer. I haven't modded Sins before (aside from changing a few profile pictures), but I am rather self-driven once I have a starting point. Would anyone mind linking me to some resources I should be reading?

Yep, DS minidumps whenever I enable it with the new sins patch.

Hey DS team. I have a possible balance issue.

I was playing Vasari against 5 unfair AI's. Two Tec, Two Advent, One Vasari (This is Diplomacy DS)

Had my ass kicked handily for a while (two TEC's allied with each other then stabbed each other in the back after destroying everyone else, apparently).

It took hours, but after being beaten back to four planets I managed to take one after another with the fleet of fightery doom. (Never had a game where I had all 32 capital ships at level 10)

Anywho... as the TEC took over the galaxy, by hour six he built 145 culture centers. 

11:13 hours into the game, I had stomped him down to 92. I matched his 92 at this point. 

11:24 hours into the game, we had planetary parity of 20 each. I had 94 culture centers to his 87. I had no choice but to have a single capital ship factory to score up losses, and three frigate factories, NO trade or refinery structures, all in order to save room for culture centers, and could not use my starbases for trade centers due to the novalith spam. (Tec Logistics upgrade is way more powerful than some realize).

13:00 hours I had 150 Culture centers to his 37. At this point, his 37 culture centers were STILL BEATING MINE. I left a planet with my fleet and his culture poured in like water in a gas giant's gravity well. Whenever my fleet would leave a planet, if there was another path for culture to flow between my fleet and my planet, I would lose the planet. I lost SIX PLANETS TO CULTURE while in the decisive battle of the game (10 Capitals and 400+ units of his versus my First Fleet of 26 and 100+ escort---I had to keep the other six for Marauding Pirate Patrol).  Keep in mind that these planets I lost had maxed out logistical slots with culture centers. Anywhere between 3 on asteroids to 10 on the huge ocean world. I actually lost the ocean world with 10 culture centers to their culture centers at one point. How the hell does that work?

Is the Vasari culture weaker by design, or is this a possible balance issue?

Side note, I think I devastated my previous record for damage dealt during a game. This one hit 30.5 Million while receiving 19.6 Million, with 500k in planetary damage. 

And wow... 22565 user actions.  I thought 8000 was a lot.  

Yes Vasari Culture is the weakest in game. Design.

Yes 1.5 breaks the mod. While let Nacey know, especially with the new DLC that will cause issues.

@Nefew - Will talk to the gang (what's left of us) and ask.

Ryat: Thanks, I appreciate it. I know how to program in C so I won't be totally lost. I mainly need to know how to get on your repository and how to compile things for Sins. I'm not great at writing from scratch, but I'm generally good with debugging stuff. I have this weird gut instinct that tends to be right, so I figure I can help with some of the minidumps (provided someone can explain how to read those!)

Do you guys have an IRC channel or something somewhere? It'd make life a lot easier.

Download Notepad++ first of all. There are some conversions tools laying around, harpo99999 has some good ones for switching the files from BIN to TXT. As for minidumps, well we can't read those so those are of no use.

As for an IRC channel we used to have one but not anymore. Nacey and I communicate through Skype/MSN Messanger though.

Any ETA on when it'll be functional? I know these things take their time, so I'm trying to word this carefully so as not to upset you all. Just wanting to know if it'll be a few days, or weeks, or something like that, gonna wait patiently. (PS, thank you for all your hard work, this is my favorite sins mod.)

IDK to be honest.

Ryat: Heh, I already used Notepad++ for my work! I'll look for those conversion tools. In the meantime, which file has the equivalent of main() in it?

If you're 'kay with it, would'a mind adding me on Skype? I'll toss you a PM once I figure out how to actually do that..

Gunpocket: Someone always seems to ask this. There is no timeline, and there never can be. The developers don't know what stardock changed to break the mod. They have to find that first, then figure out how to unbreak it. It could be five minutes, it could be five years. There's simply no predicting it.

EDIT: Interesting. I just got the new DLC and it happened *instantly*. I think it's included with the update and purchasing it just flips a switch to enable access to it. There appears to be *no way to turn it off now that I have it*. ...In the words of Scooby Doo, "ruh-roh".

What does this mean? If I play it with someone else does my DLC get disabled or do I get an unfair advantage? Is there going to be a lot more work than we thought getting D|S to work now? Do we finally know what the Vasari are running from?

I need an adult-like figure!