[MOD] Distant Stars - Rebellion Alpha 0.13 Released! [17/06/13]

If carrier cruisers have to be at close range for their strikecraft to be effective, why build them as opposed to heavy cruisers? I thought the whole point and idea behind carriers was the fact that they can strike remotely and with speed.

SivCorp

reply 5748

How large is the range on the strikecraft bonus? I fear if it is too small that carriers will be degraded to glorified defense vessels. Other than that, GENIOUS move DS team!

We will soon be testing the range to get the best balance. As goodgimp said, they are designed to stay back and let the strike craft do the work. Flip side we are attempting to increase the vulnerability of the cruiser carriers so that they won't be the end all, be all of the game. I suspect that a slightly longer range then LRMs will be the final range but that remains to be seen.

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Ryat

on Aug 03, 2011

Nacey

just waiting on some play testing by the guys to see how its holding up

Yesa masta' we are doing what we can masta'.

*cringes in fear*

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Draakjacht

on Aug 04, 2011

*looks over shoulder*

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on Aug 04, 2011

SaintMina

reply 5742

I had a game crash and how do I let you all good folks know about it? When I click on Diplomacy Pacts button or when I click on my cease fire buddy now in Blue to see what mission he wants me to do like destory 3 Civi structures.

Pretty much just like what you did.

SaintMina

reply 5742

Do think changing any of this made it crash?

homeplanetupgradelevel: population 4
homeplanetupgradelevel: civilianmodules 4
homeplanetupgradelevel: tacticalmodules 4
homeplanetupgradelevel: home 1
homeplanetupgradelevel: artifactlevel 2
homeplanetupgradelevel: infrastructure 4

No ma'am.

SaintMina

reply 5742

If you want a bug report please tell me how to show you what you want?

You've provided more then enough. It's a known issue.

The fix, as you seem to be a competent modder is as simple as opening up the entity manifest and re-adding the line entityName "QuestKillCivilianModulesLow.entity" and upping the entity count by 1 at the top. Should stop the diplomacy screen crashes.

goodgimp

If carrier cruisers have to be at close range for their strikecraft to be effective,

Strike craft are still effective across the gravity well en masse. Just not as good as they used to be thus allowing ships that deal with them the opportunity to actually deal with them before they rape your starbases and capital ships one by one.

goodgimp

why build them as opposed to heavy cruisers?

That's kind of the point, isn't it. The goal is to reduce the numbers of strike craft present in a game. Though if you're bold enough, you can move your carrier cruisers closer to the action and thus buff your strike craft and let the devastating waves of pain and punishment begin, but at the risk of losing those cruisers. It's a decent trade off, tactically speaking.

goodgimp

I thought the whole point and idea behind carriers was the fact that they can strike remotely and with speed.

And they still can. They still field strike craft and can still do so from the safety of sitting at the edge of the gravity well.

HartLord

reply 5746

To Norbert and any others with the deadly secret problem, the simple solution is a starbase with the "backup" government upgrade.

It's only a problem if you let it be one. Though that is an excellent 'defense', it doesn't fix the AI's issue with colonizing, losing, recolonizing, losing, recolonizing, losing, etc... Another way to deal with it is to just send your own colony ship over and colonize it after the AI loses it and not doing the planet exploration upgrades since you know it's a bad thing.

SivCorp

reply 5748

I fear if it is too small that carriers will be degraded to glorified defense vessels.

Why would you say that? If they're not good enough to be included in the attack force, then they sure as hell won't be included in a defense force.

Nacey

just waiting on some play testing by the guys to see how its holding up

Will get to that tomorrow.

Nacey

If the final patch will take longer to release and 1.32 breaks Distant Stars however I will make a quick fix patch to get it working again until we release 1.00

Unless I beat you to it!

Nacey

Quite simply the "elite" strikecraft have been nerfed down to the stats of the regular strikecraft. The regular strikecraft (those from cruisers) have now been nerfed by 66% unless they are close to the cruiser that launched them. If they are close to the cruiser that launches them they gain a +66% damage buff (making them the same as the standard ones).

I'd like to suggest that instead of reducing the elites to the normal levels, adding in light strike craft to be used by the light carriers. This way you could still keep the elite strike craft in and only field them by starbases to limit their use to defenses primarily.

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SivCorp

on Aug 04, 2011

Stant123

reply 5752

Why would you say that? If they're not good enough to be included in the attack force, then they sure as hell won't be included in a defense force.

Defense vessels as in the aircraft defense ships, not defending position. Silly stant

A range of slightly over the farthest LRM range sounds good to me. I always take my carriers with me in my battle formations.... So I guess I will not notice much of a difference.

5754

on Aug 04, 2011

SivCorp

reply 5753

Defense vessels as in the aircraft defense ships, not defending position. Silly stant

In my defense, the wording doesn't say that.

SivCorp

reply 5748

I fear if it is too small that carriers will be degraded to glorified defense vessels.

It says that their status will be changed to the lesser status of defense (as opposed to assault). See, not so silly am I?

SivCorp

reply 5753

A range of slightly over the farthest LRM range sounds good to me. I always take my carriers with me in my battle formations.... So I guess I will not notice much of a difference.

In practice, you won't notice any difference if that's your usual method. I don't and I'm specifically looking for it. Though with enough carrier spam I can still pop a starbase in a single pass. =Þ The range I'm looking at making it is a little higher then the TEC starbase missile range. Currently, they are just within range of the missile frigate. Putting them close to the star base, but just outside it's range gives the strike craft a buff on every run from that side and also forces the starbase to either move closer in the case of the orky, or reach out with it's own strike craft, or to rely on the hanger defenses in the gravity well.

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Saint Mina

on Aug 04, 2011

Stant123

reply 5754

If you want a bug report please tell me how to show you what you want?
You've provided more then enough. It's a known issue.
The fix, as you seem to be a competent modder is as simple as opening up the entity manifest and re-adding the line entityName "QuestKillCivilianModulesLow.entity" and upping the entity count by 1 at the top. Should stop the diplomacy screen crashes.

Thank you I will give it a shot.

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There is one thing I like about this Mod the firgates move around to do thier attacks. I though it was odd that the ships would sit still and then fire making them easier targets. I thought that ships would fire on the move not sit and fire but that's just me.

Eidit: That therr bug is goone and what aboout thoose pirrates.

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on Aug 04, 2011

SaintMina

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Exactly.

SaintMina

If I were to place a bet on how many people like dynamic movement versus those who don't, I'd probably lose, but I do know that I, as well as the majority, don't like it... But it is included as a minimod add on for those who do like it because there is a large enough group that does like having it. It's not up to date though. To do this is somewhat easy as well. All you have to do is grab a copy of all of the combat frigates and change the focus fire and use fighter attack values to these:

prefersToFocusFire FALSE
usesFighterAttack TRUE

The hardest part about it is just making sure you got all of them.

SaintMina

Eidit: That therr bug is goone

Good.

SaintMina

what aboout thoose pirrates.

If they amuse you now, wait until the updated powerful pirates graces your PC. Personally, I want to retro the pirates back to their uber hitpoint and DPS starbases. Now that looked like some seriously good fun.

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Saint Mina

on Aug 04, 2011

Stant123

reply 5756

I am lost, what folder am I looking for?

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DavidFalcon

on Aug 04, 2011

SaintMina

reply 5757

Quoting Stant123, reply 5756If I were to place a bet on how many people like dynamic movement versus those who don't, I'd probably lose, but I do know that I, as well as the majority, don't like it... But it is included as a minimod add on for those who do like it because there is a large enough group that does like having it. It's not up to date though. To do this is somewhat easy as well. All you have to do is grab a copy of all of the combat frigates and change the focus fire and use fighter attack values to these:
prefersToFocusFire FALSEusesFighterAttack TRUE
The hardest part about it is just making sure you got all of them.

I am lost, what folder am I looking for?

My bet would be the entity files in the Dynamic Movement's mod folder. Usually located (If in Windows 7): "C:\Users\{Your User Name}\AppData\Local\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Mods-Diplomacy v1.31\Dynamic Movement\GameInfo"

My Question is... What do I use to edit an Entity file with so I can have my Dynamic Movement working right?!?

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